Path: bloom-beacon.mit.edu!hookup!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!dputzolu From: dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu (David M. Putzolu) Newsgroups: rec.guns,rec.answers,news.answers Subject: rec.guns FAQ Pointer Followup-To: rec.guns Date: 26 Apr 1994 16:12:35 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 1089 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu,news-answers-request@MIT.Edu Message-ID: <2pjehj$rf1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu (FAQ Maintainer) NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Summary: This posting contains a pointer to the anonymous FTP site that contains the rec.guns FAQ, the WWW server for the rec.guns FAQ, and a list of the topics covered in the files/documents at those sites. Instructions are included that describe how those without FTP access can use email to get to the files at the rec.guns FTP server site. Originator: dputzolu@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Xref: bloom-beacon.mit.edu rec.guns:48442 rec.answers:5140 news.answers:18662 Archive-name: rec-guns-FAQ-pointer Last-Modified: 1994/4/26 rec.guns FAQ: Introduction What follows is the pointer to the rec.guns FAQ list. Due to its near encyclopedic proportions, it was decided that the FAQ would be made available via anonymous FTP, and only this small pointer would be posted periodically instead. For those of you that do not have FTP access, instructions as to how to use email to have parts of the FAQ automatically sent to you are included at the end of this posting. ***************************************************************** * The rec.guns FAQ can be found on the rec.guns FTP server, * * flubber.cs.umd.edu (128.8.128.99) in the directory /rec/FAQ * ***************************************************************** * The rec.guns FAQ is also available via WWW at the URL: * * http://sal.cs.uiuc.edu/rec.guns/ * * Also found here are firearm image, sound, and target archives * ***************************************************************** In order to allow people to download parts of the FAQ at the granularity of single articles, each article appears in a separate file on the FTP server mentioned above. The filename of each article is made up of the section in the FAQ where it is found, followed by a period and the suffix ".txt" Thus, the article in the section III. Firearm Information by Type C. SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOLS 2. Models and Manufacturers a. 1911A1 - Where to get Information on Gunsmithing would be found in the file /rec/FAQ/IIIC2a.txt Hopefully this will please the MS-DOS people, as well as make filenames faster to type. It doesn't make things any more intuitive, but I have a feeling the old system wasn't that great either. Note that the outline of all of the subjects covered can be found in the file FAQ1 in the same directory. There is still a ton of stuff missing from this FAQ. If you feel comfortable writing about one of the missing topics, please email me! David M. Putzolu - dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu - My opinions T rec.guns FAQ: I.A. Recent Changes I. INTRODUCTION A. Changes Since Last Posting by David Putzolu (dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu) The REC.GUNS FAQ pointer was last posted on April 26, 1994. The following list shows a change code followed by a topic area. The key to these codes is: CCC = Change to the topic. +++ = Topic has been inserted or filled in. --- = Topic has been deleted. Changes since last posting: I. Introduction II. Laws B. International Information +++ 2. The European Firearms Pass (4/23/94) (J.M. Spencer has kindly provided information about this EC permit to travel with firearms in Europe) III. Firearm Information by Type D. Rifles 2. Models and Manufacturers +++ c. Lee-Enfield FAQ (4/18/94) (Ben Sansing has authored an outstanding reference to this famous rifle) (long, 147KB) IV. Comparative Firearm Information V. Defensive Use of Firearms VI. Hunting Issues VII.Reloading Information VIII. Techniques IX. Competetive Information X. Miscellaneous A. DCM Information +++ 2. DCM Update - Some Changes to the Program (4/23/94) (Kerry Tomasevich has some new information about this program to get Garand rifles at good prices from Uncle Sam) C. Lubricants 1. Information about commerically available lubricants. +++ b. TW-25B (4/26/94) (Barry Needham has evaluated this promising lubricant as well as typed up the spec sheet) J. Body Armor Information +++ 1. Reference Information (4/18/94) (Julius Chang has found a comprehensive study of body armor) K. Gunsmithing Information +++ 1. How is a Barrel Fitted to a Centerfire Rifle? (4/19/94) (Bart Bobbitt has clearly explained how this process is done) XI. Contact Information A. Gun Rights Organizations +++ 3. Democrats for the 2nd Amendment (4/8/94) (David Basiji has a HTML server available for this important pro-gun rights group) B. Merchandise +++ 1. Bullet Proof Vest Companies (4/3/94) (Julius Chang has compiled a comprehensive list of companies that manufacture and sell this protective equipment.) +++ 3. Firearms Periodicals (4/8/94) (I added this article, which contains contact info for Precision Shooting, because so many people ask how to contact them) CCC C. Internet Firearms FTP Sites (4/7/94) (The NRA ftp server has been added to this list, courtesy of David Basiji) XII.Accuracy rec.guns FAQ: Main Outline OUTLINE FOR THE REC.GUNS FAQ ORGANIZATION by David M. Putzolu (dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu) Below is a list of all of the topics that the rec.guns FAQ. Because the FAQ has grown quite large, it was decided that a pointer to where the FAQ might be obtained via ftp would be posted instead. For people who do not have ftp access, a brief instructional guide on how to use email to automatically have FAQ articles sent to you appears at the end of this posting. Note that this is simply the outline for the FAQ. The FAQ documents themselves can be found at the rec.guns FAQ FTP site. To find out the names of the files in which each part of the FAQ is stored in, use one of the following: if viewing this article via news, see the beginning of this posting if you see this as a file, get the file faqIntro.txt located at the FTP site flubber.cs.umd.edu in /rec/FAQ if viewing this as a hypertext file, click here Subject Outline: I. Introduction II. Laws III. Firearm Information by Type IV. Comparative Firearm Information V. Defensive Use of Firearms VI. Hunting Issues VII. Reloading Information VIII. Techniques IX. Competitive Information X. Miscellaneous XI. Contact Information XII. Accuracy rec.guns FAQ: I. Introduction I. Introduction A. Changes since last posting B. FAQ Organization, etc. C. Legal Disclaimer D. Basic Gun Safety E. Terminology & Acronyms F. The most common FAQ on rec.guns: I am thinking of buying a gun... G. Why Should I Join the NRA? H. I Don't Have FTP capability - can I use Email to get FAQ Articles? I. A Handgun Primer For Novices rec.guns FAQ: II. Laws II. Laws A. Contact info for ILA & other services B. International Information 1. Country Laws 2. The European Firearms Pass C. State Laws 1. Concealed Carry Laws by State 2. Interstate Transportation of Personally-Owned Firearms D. Judicious Use of Deadly Force (Article Not Present) E. Relevant Literature 1. Judicious Use of Deadly Force - Video Review F. Firearms and Airlines rec.guns FAQ: III. Firearm Information by Type III. Firearm Information by Type A. Literature (Article Not Present) B. Revolvers 1. Commonly Available Cartridges 2. Models and Manufacturers a. Smith & Wesson 3. "What to Look for in Buying a Revolver" C. Semi-Automatic Pistols 1. Commonly Available Cartridges 2. Models and Manufacturers a. 1911A1 - Where to get Information on Gunsmithing b. Browning High Power c. Glock 1. Accessories - Aro-Tek extended slide release review 2. Pistols d. Haemmerli e. Heckler and Koch USP f. Sig Sauer - Changing Triggers g. Smith & Wesson h. Taurus 1. Taurus PT-22 2. Taurus 99AF D. Rifles 1. Commonly Available Cartridges a. An Examination of Norinco 7.62*39 Corrosiveness 2. Models & Manufacturers a. AR-15 1. How to Build an AR-15 2. Further AR-15 Building Hints b. HK c. The Lee-Enfield FAQ (~140KB) 3. Miscellaneous a. What is Jeff Cooper's Scout Rifle? E. Shotguns 1. Shotshells and Loads a. Shot Sizes b. Load weights, shotsize, and Dram equivalents c. High brass, low brass, and hull length (Article Not Present) d. Buffered Loads e. What's a "gauge," anyway? f. Different shotgun shell lengths - what's the deal? 2. Barrels and Chokes a. VR barrels (Article Not Present) b. Rifled vs. smoothbore (Article Not Present) c. Chokes d. Barrel length (Article Not Present) e. O/U vs. S/S 3. Models & Manufacturers a. Benelli 4. Miscellaneous a. Shotgun Fit Parameters b. The Difference between Trap, Skeet, and Sporting Clays c. Reducing Recoil F. Black Powder Firearms (Article Not Present) rec.guns FAQ: IV. Comparative Firearm Information IV. Comparative Firearm Information A. Literature (Article Not Present) B. Double Action v. Single Action v. Safe Action v. Squeeze Cocker C. Glock v. Sig Sauer 1. The Glock's Case (Article Not Present) 2. Glock Rebuttal (Article Not Present) 3. The Sig Sauer's Case 4. Sig Sauer Rebuttal (Article Not Present) D. Reliability: Semi-Automatic Pistols v. Revolvers (Article Not Present) E. Accuracy: Bolt Action Rifles v. Semi-Automatic Rifles (Article Not Present) F. Bullet Velocity & Weight as related to effectiveness 1. The Facklerite's Case (Article Not Present) 2. Fackler Rebuttal (Article Not Present) 3. The Marshall-Sanow Case (Article Not Present) 4. Marshall-Sanow Rebuttal (Article Not Present) G. Calibre Issues 1. The .45 ACP's case (Article Not Present) 2. .45 ACP Rebuttal (Article Not Present) 3. The 9mm Parabellum's case (Article Not Present) 4. 9mm Parabellum Rebuttal (Article Not Present) 5. Other calibres and their suitability to purpose (Article Not Present) 6. Calibre Interchangeability rec.guns FAQ: V. Defensive Use of Firearms V. Defensive Use of Firearms A. Legal Disclaimer B. Reviews of Literature and Other Relevant Information 1. John Farnam's Shotgun Course - A Review 2. Shoot To Live - Video Review 3. Some Reviews by Seth Eliott C. Home Defense D. Out-of-Home Defense E. I want a pistol for defensive use. Which one should I get? rec.guns FAQ: VI. Hunting Issues VI. Hunting Issues A. Calibre Issues 1. Is .223 ok for hunting? (Article Not Present) 2. Is 9mm/7.62*39/.357/.45ACP/etc. good for bears? rec.guns FAQ: VII. Reloading Information VII. Reloading Information A. Introduction to Handloading 1. Pistol and Rifle Handloading: "My Adventures in Reloading" 2. Shotgun Handloading (Article Not Present) B. Progressive v. Standard Reloaders 1. Accuracy Issues (Article Not Present) 2. Price / Expandability (Article Not Present) 3. Rate of Production (Article Not Present) C. Bullet Manufacturer Information 1. Hornady Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, 3rd Ed. 2. Nosler Nosler Reloading Manual, Number Three 3. Sierra Sierra Handgun Reloading Manual 4. Speer Speer Reloading Manual, Number 11 D. Powder Manufacturer Information (Article Not Present) 1. Hodgdon a. Hodgdon Data Manual No. 25 E. Pistol/Rifle Reloading Equipment Manufacturer Information 1. Dillon (Article Not Present) 2. Hornady (Pacific) (Article Not Present) 3. Lee (Article Not Present) 4. Lyman a. Lyman Reloading Handbook, 46th Edition 5. RCBS a. Rock Chucker Master Reloading Kit Review F. Shotgun Reloading Equipment Manufacturer Information 1. Hornady, MEC, and Posness Warren G. Custom Loads 1. Legal Disclaimer (Article Not Present) 2. Pistol (Article Not Present) 3. Rifle (Article Not Present) 4. Shotgun (Article Not Present) H. Miscellaneous 1. "A Report on the Dedicated Systems Electronic Scale and and Powder Dribbler System" 2. "Some Words on Adjusting Dies" 3. What is the Benefit of Nickel Plating Brass? 4. Alternative Methods of Cleaning Brass 5. Safe Storage of Powder and Primers 6. Can I Neck Size Belted Brass to Increase Case Life? rec.guns FAQ: VIII. Techniques VIII. Techniques A. Pistol Techniques 1. Carry Techniques (Article Not Present) 2. Cleaning a. Semi-automatics b. Revolvers 3. Presentation (Article Not Present) B. Rifle Techniques 1. Carry Techniques (Article Not Present) 2. Cleaning (Article Not Present) 3. Presentation (Article Not Present) rec.guns FAQ: IX. Competetive Information IX. Competitive Information A. List of Olympic Shooting Events B. IPSC Information 1. Basic Introduction to IPSC 2. In Depth IPSC Information (long) rec.guns FAQ: X. Miscellaneous X. Miscellaneous A. DCM Information A. DCM Summary - "Uncle Sam Sells Garand Rifles to Civilians" B. DCM Update - Some Changes to the Program B. Bill Ruger Consumer Debate Summary C. Lubricants 1. Information about commercially available lubricants. a. Prolix b. TW-25B 2. The Case Against Petroleum Based Lubricants D. Solvents 1. Don't Mix Shooter's Choice & Hoppe's! 2. Information about commercially available solvents. 3. Homebrew Recipies a. Ed's Red E. Female-Specific Issues Relating to Firearms F. The Points System of GCA'68 G. FFL Information 1. Rob's Quick Guide to Getting a Federal Firearms License (FFL) 2. The Curios and Relics FFL H. What about Kids and Guns? I. Literature List 1. Book Reviews by Henry Schaffer J. Body Armor Information 1. Body Armor Reference Information 2. Bullet Proof Vest Companies K. Gunsmithing Information 1. How is a Barrel Fitted to a Centerfire Rifle? rec.guns FAQ: XI. Contact Information XI. Contact Information A. Gun Rights Organizations 1. NRA 2. ILA 3. Democrats for the 2nd Amendment 4. Other Gun Rights Organizations B. Merchandise 1. Bullet Proof Vest Companies 2. Mail Order Gun Supplies 3. Firearms Periodicals C. Internet Firearms FTP Sites D. Firearms Schools E. Literature Reviews Available at flubber.cs.umd.edu F. People To Contact if You are Curious About Firearms G. The Net FFL List - People Who Offer FFL Services rec.guns FAQ: XII. Accuracy XII. Accuracy A. Pistol 1. General Accuracy Tips B. Rifle 1. Why Should I Bed My Rifle? 2. Why is Belted Brass Less Accurate? I. INTRODUCTION B. FAQ Organization, etc. by David Putzolu (dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu) This is the FAQ for rec.guns. It is organized in a hierarchical outline form with a list of the topics at the beginning. This FAQ is a compilation of the writings by various of the people in the rec.guns forum. If you have any questions that the FAQ does not answer, please post a message to rec.guns and you will find lots of helpful, friendly people willing to reply. If you feel that the FAQ contains incorrect FACTUAL information, (example: the number of cartridges a Beretta 92FS standard magazine contains) please contact the maintainer, David Putzolu, at dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu. Include the section that the error is in as well as the context of the error. If you disagree with some of the arguments in regards to areas that are a matter of opinion (example: is a 9mm or .45 better for defensive use?) or find the arguments to be incomplete, you must provide a complete re-write of the area in question, which, in any case, may or may not be included, depending on the judgement of the maintainer and possibly other self-important individuals. Sorry it has to be done this way, but I really don't have the time to answer every nit that someone has to pick with the FAQ. Your other option, of course, is to post an article on rec.guns on the subject, and if you find sufficient support to change the FAQ then it will be changed. rec.guns FAQ: I.C. Legal Disclaimer I. INTRODUCTION C. Legal Disclaimer by David Putzolu (dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu) The contents of this FAQ and the entire FAQ is simply a compendium of the writings of many of the knowledgable people on the rec.guns forum. No part of this FAQ should be viewed as legal advice. The reader must take full and complete responsibility for the laws regarding firearms in his jurisdiction as well as proper safety precautions involving every facet of firearms and related components. Any and all of this FAQ may contain errors, and it is the responsibility of the reader to check with his local law enforcement authorities as to the laws which dictate how, when, why, and where he may use firearms in any situation. Note that each article in this FAQ is the intellectual property of its author, who retains the copyright to it. Permission is explicitly given to distribute this FAQ in its entirety via the Internet and other computer networks. Permission is explicitly denied to publish this FAQ in any other medium, including but not limited to CD-ROM, books, and magazines. In order to gain permission to reproduce any part of this FAQ in such a medium the person/organization wishing to publish said part of it must get the individual permission of each and every author whose writings he wishes to publish. I. INTRODUCTION D. Basic Gun Safety by Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht (vdb@ltssg3.epfl.ch) Well I guess everybody knows all this perfectly but it is always good to review these things even if it looks like the first pages of every gun instruction manual. Please remember that nothing here should be seen as legal advice. Everything is disclaimed. Before buying or even handling a gun, one has to realize that it is something different than any other object in the sense that a gun can cause serious injury or death. Handling a gun makes you responsible for what happens with it at that time. If you own a gun, you are undertaking full responsibility for safety and security at all times. This means that you have to ensure that you or other people using your gun with your consent handle it properly. You have to make sure that nobody can steal or use your firearm without your consent. The actual rules are: Always treat a gun as if it were loaded until you visually check it out. Never point your firearm in any direction you do not intend to shoot. In particular, never point your gun in the direction of other people. Always have your gun pointed in a safe direction. Before handling a firearm, understand how it works. Do not assume that a gun is secure, i.e. some guns have excellent security systems to prevent accidental firing (e.g. when dropped), others don't. Do not put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. Keep your firearm unloaded when you are not using it. Never pass your firearm to anybody until you have checked that it is unloaded. If you have to carry your gun loaded, always point it in a safe direction (e.g. the ground). Never carry your gun with the hammer cocked. You should store your firearm and ammunition in separate locked places. Pay particular attention that no child has access to the gun. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it. If you own a gun for home defense, most of these safety rules will be violated. However in some countries, home defense can be important. You will then probably store your gun loaded in a place that you can quickly reach if you feel you are threatened. In this case, be really sure that it is unaccessible to children. Buy then the safest possible gun for this purpose. When choosing a handgun for home defense, revelvers are a good choice because they are much safer than semi auto pistols. If you are not very familiar with handguns or do not practice a lot, you should go for a revolver. Their drawback is lower capacity. Among semi autos, Glock are good defense guns due to their safety mechanism, making them much safer than any other semi auto, and their high capacity. [Maintainer: Note that there is a more comprehensive section in V. Defensive uses of firearms that can be found later in the rec.guns FAQ. Furthermore, a good overview of purchasing a handgun can be found in the article 'I.I. A Handgun Primer for Novices' as well as in the article 'V.E. I Want a Pistol for Defensive Use - Which One Should I Get?'] I. INTRODUCTION F. The most common FAQ on rec.guns: I am thinking of buying a gun... what should I buy/do? by the Moderator of Rec.Guns (magnum@cs.umd.edu) You will get much advice from others on the net who read your post. But what seems to be the best advice we can give you, in my opinion, is to get enough info so you can make an informed choice yourself. This is not only a consumer issue, but also a safety issue. Before you buy, I strongly encourage you to take a basic firearms safety class, such as the NRA Personal Protection course. I suggest the NRA class in particular because it is generally of very high quality, at comparatively low cost (e.g., my wife and I, who are both certified NRA instructors, offer this at our cost of materials); many classes offered commercially, on the other hand, offer far less comprehensive a syllabus, and charge much more. The NRA class not only covers the basics of operation in a firearm, but safety issues in use, storage, transportation and cleaning. We also bring in both a lawyer and an officer to discuss both legal and practical issues related to use of a firearm in self defense. Its a great way to get a lot of questions answered! In general, we encourage people to take this course *before* purchasing a firearm, since it can help you make up your mind about even *whether* to purchase. But also, by being more informed about use and operation, you can't help but be a better consumer when you go shop. Many people find that some firearms felt comfortable in their hand while they were absolute novices; but once they learned the proper way to handle the firearm, other models or configurations become preferred. Finally, by getting hooked up with other knowledgeable shooters (who take or teach the class) you can often try out many different types of firearms, to help you decide which you like. You wouldn't invest in a car without a test drive; don't invest in a firearm you've never driven either. These same people can help you find safe and economical places to shoot, that is important to help you stay safe and proficient with the firearm if you choose to buy. Please feel free to ask all the followup questions you like; safety is that important to us here. Also let us know of your experiences, and give us feedback on how to best help the next novice who inquires. Welcome aboard -- stay safe -- MODERATOR, rec.guns rec.guns FAQ: I.G. Why Should I Join the NRA? I. INTRODUCTION G. Why should I join the NRA? by Don Baldwin (donb@tamri.com) Dear fellow shooter, I asked to write this part of the FAQ because I thought that having a liberal Democrat advocate joining the NRA would make a point regarding our firearms rights and the preservation thereof: that we're all in this together and that we had all better do as much as we can do protect those rights, NOW! The NRA is a very controversial organization in some circles and has taken a lot of heat from both sides of the gun debate. Some pro-gunners are contemptuous of its compromises, while gun control advocates call it inflexible for NOT compromising. Whatever your view, it is a sure thing that if the NRA did not exist today, we would now be living under gun laws as bad as those in Great Britain and similar countries. "Needs-based" licensing, registration, arbitrary bans on whatever is called the criminals' "weapon of choice" by those seeking to make easy political points at the expense of law-abiding citizens, storage requirements that make defense use practically impossible...these are the laws we would almost certainly be living under today, if the NRA did not exist. Since becoming active in the area of gun rights, I have read a bit about some of the charges made against the "inflexible" NRA...that they oppose all gun control laws, that they specifically opposed laws banning "cop killer" cartridges. The fact is that the NRA proposed an Instant Background check as a better alternative to the Brady Bill's waiting period but that proposal was turned down by the gun control advocates, despite the fact that a background check could block some sales of guns to criminals and waiting periods could not. I have also found out that the NRA SUPPORTEDthe law banning "cop killer" bullets, once that law was refined to the point where it would not ban ordinary hunting cartridges. Aside from their political advocacy of gun rights, the NRA also provides a number of valuable community services: gun safety materials and classes, shooting competitions and criminal justice reform policy suggestions that would punish violent criminals HARD. Today, the media and opportunistic politicians are attacking gun rights and the NRA as never before. Please join the NRA today and help make sure that they do not get their way! Don Baldwin I. Introduction H. I Don't Have FTP capability - can I use Email to Get FAQ articles? by Lance ?, Relayed by Dave Aronson If you have e-mail access to the internet, you can get access to any ftp sit e via e-mail from these two 'ftp via e-mail' servers: ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu Here's a help file (on teetot.acusd.edu, as /pub/Beelzebub/FTP_via_Internet_Mail). How To Receive Documents from an FTP Archive via Internet MAIL ---===--- I have had several requests for documents from the archive at: etext.archive.umich.edu from people that DO NOT have anonymous ftp access. There is a server at: ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com that can accept "batch" ftp requests from you and then return the documents back to you via internet mail. 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Ftpmail was written by Paul Vixie at the DEC Western Research Laboratory and at the DEC Network Systems Laboratory, from 1989-1993. -- Ftpmail Submission Transcript -- <<< connect etext.archive.umich.edu >>> Connect to etext.archive.umich.edu as anonymous with - >>> ftpmail/lwb@cs.utexas.edu <<< chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS >>> Will chdir to before I do anythin g >>> else <<< get freedom.from.war >>> get freedom.from.war ascii <<< get jbs.book.list.01 >>> get jbs.book.list.01 ascii <<< quit >>> Done - rest of message will be ignored >>> checking security of host `etext.archive.umich.edu' >>> host `etext.archive.umich.edu' has IP addr [141.211.164.18] >>> host `etext.archive.umich.edu' is also known as >>> `hellcow.css.itd.umich.edu' >>> host `etext.archive.umich.edu' is ok -- End of Ftpmail Transcript -- etc... Please refer to the man pages on ftp for more information on ftp commands. I will, from time-to-time, send/post a list of all files available on my section of this archive. Good Luck, Lance ------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of rec.guns FAQ pointer. + David M. Putzolu - dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu - My opinions only + + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ finger for pgp2.3 public key + + "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and + + bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against + + tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson +